the idea that somehow it doesn't belong to the democrats and bill clinton went to russia when he was a kid, he's some sort of mole, some sort of mata hari. and even kennedy -- why do they think illegitimately, why does the white house belong in the hands of the toris, if you will, the conservatives? >> because i think it's symbolic. they feel the symbol of the country has got to represent the symbol of the values, pushing what they see is the american value system, which is capitalism unrestrained, this idea of freedom that they have actually glommed on to things, like tax cuts for the rich, corporations not being regulated. they believe that the president is the salesman to the world of what they see as the american story, which is that we are about, you know, free enterprise, and we are about what they see as freedom and they think democrats want to do this european socialist mushy, mommy state. >> i can say they like war. >> when they get in the white house, they tend to start a war. >> we can argue -- >> i think it's about power on a certain level. i mean, look, nixon, reagan, ge